DDW-2025-004918

Danielle Zebelean <[e-mail]>
Snake Creek Temporary Exception
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Danielle Zebelean <[e-mail]>Wed, May 28, 2025 at 1:06 PM
To: jacobsanderson2018 <[e-mail]>, Terry Smith <[e-mail]>
Hi Jake and Terry,
Responding to you both with some information about this exception. Thank you Jake for reporting your water use data for
the last three years. In order to resolve the temporary exception we need to set your system specific minimum sizing
standards. I've attached a draft report for you to look at.
Terry sent over some fire demand calculations that Snake Creek Mutual should be held to 1,000 gpm for 1 hour instead of
2 hours. Terry, could you let me know why that is the appropriate fire flow for the system?
Also it looks like we do not have a documented safe yield for the springs. I pulled the data from the Water Use Report that
shows the safe yield would be about 12.8 gpm based on that data. However, it looks like the source meter and the retail
use meter are the same measurements. Do you have any other measurements for the spring flow that we could use to set
the yield of the spring? If we go with the 12.8 or the 16 from the last sanitary survey it still leaves you with a deficiency for
source.
Dani Zebelean, P.E.
Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
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Hours: M - Th 7 am to 5 pm
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26011 2025 DRAFT Water Use.pdf
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12820 WS003 WS004 25th Percentile.xlsx
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jacobsanderson2018 <[e-mail]>Wed, May 28, 2025 at 10:42 PM
To: Danielle Zebelean <[e-mail]>, Terry Smith <[e-mail]>
Danielle,
Great news our new scada system we had installed has been tracking our spring flows i believe. I have attached the
information to this email. I hope this is what you are needing to show how consistent our spring has been. I have also
attached the photo of the on site meter I took with my phone. Please call me with any questions. I look forward to hearing
from you and moving forward with this issue.
Thanks again for your help.
Jacob Anderson
801-358-5374
5/29/25, 9:05 AM State of Utah Mail - Snake Creek Temporary Exception
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Danielle Zebelean <[e-mail]>Thu, May 29, 2025 at 8:37 AM
To: jacobsanderson2018 <[e-mail]>
Cc: Terry Smith <[e-mail]>
Excellent Jake!
Converting those from gallons to gpm does look like it is the 41 gpm. That will be all I need to set the standard and
resolve the IPS points.
Make sure to keep this data for at least 5 years going forward. I made a note on your site visit list for your next sanitary
surveyor to get three years of data so we can officially set the safe yield.
Dani Zebelean, P.E.
Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
M: [phone]
Hours: M - Th 7 am to 5 pm
drinkingwater.utah.gov
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Terry Smith <[e-mail]>Thu, May 29, 2025 at 8:57 AM
To: Danielle Zebelean <[e-mail]>, jacobsanderson2018 <[e-mail]>
Thanks for your help, Dani. 🙂
From: Danielle Zebelean <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2025 08:37
5/29/25, 9:05 AM State of Utah Mail - Snake Creek Temporary Exception
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To: jacobsanderson2018 <[e-mail]>
Cc: Terry Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Snake Creek Temporary Excepon

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Danielle Zebelean <[e-mail]>
Fwd: Snake Creek Mutual Water 26011 - Storage Capacity
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Jennifer Yee <[e-mail]>Wed, May 28, 2025 at 10:30 AM
To: Danielle Zebelean <[e-mail]>
Not sure if this is a you thing or someone else...please forward it to the correct person if I am wrong.
Thanks,
Jen
Jennifer Yee
Environmental Scientist | Division of Drinking Water
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From: Terry Smith <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, May 28, 2025 at 10:20 AM
Subject: Snake Creek Mutual Water 26011 - Storage Capacity
To: Jennifer Yee <[e-mail]>
Cc: Jake Anderson <[e-mail]>
Good morning, Jen,
Jake Anderson with Snake Creek Mutual reached out to me today stang that he has received a leer from
the DDW informing him that the exempon for storage capacity needs to be renewed or resolved by June
1st. In the annual water rights report, I see that he has determined the peak-day for the last three years to
be:
2024 - 0.1
2023 - 0.07
2022 - 0.07
Doing a quick calculaon, I came up with, including the 60,000 gallons for fire flow, 92,585 gallons (using the
largest number for 2024).
The capacity of the tank is 117,000, leaving 24,415 gallons in excess.
Addionally, I see that during the last survey, they were assessed 15 points for not having enough storage
for fire flow, but the comments state 1,000 gpm for 2 hours, rather than, if I'm not mistaken, 1 hour
(120,000 vs 60,000 gallons).
5/29/25, 9:06 AM State of Utah Mail - Fwd: Snake Creek Mutual Water 26011 - Storage Capacity
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Waterlink reports - https://waterlink.utah.gov/reports.html?systemId=1362
Water Rights report - waterrights.utah.gov/asp_apps/viewEditPWS/pwsView.asp?SYSTEM_ID=1116
I realize you're probably not the correct point of contact; I'm hoping you will send this along to the correct
person? I've also CC.d Jake into this as well.
As always, thanks for your help -
Regards, Terry
Terry Smith, Compliance Specialist
Rural Water Associaon of Utah
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Danielle Zebelean <[e-mail]>Wed, May 28, 2025 at 11:14 AM
To: Jennifer Yee <[e-mail]>
Yep I am the right person!
Dani Zebelean, P.E.
Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
M: [phone]
Hours: M - Th 7 am to 5 pm
drinkingwater.utah.gov
Emails to and from this email address may be considered public records and thus subject to Utah GRAMA
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Danielle Zebelean <[e-mail]>
Required fire flow gpm/time
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Terry Smith <[e-mail]>Thu, May 29, 2025 at 7:05 AM
To: Danielle Zebelean <[e-mail]>
Dani, to avoid making that last email chain more complex that it's currently geng with the numerous
replies, I'm addressing your queson about fire flow requirements here.
Back a number of years ago, the requirement was 1,000 gpm for two hours. However, as I understand it,
when the auditors reviewed the system capacity rule some me back, and the system specific capacity was
then put into place, at that me the requirement for fire flow was lowered to 1,000 for sixty minutes
(60,000 gallons).
In R309-510-9. Distribuon System Sizing: (4) (c) I read the following:
(c) If direcon from the local fire code official is not available, the water system shall use Appendix B of the
Internaonal Fire Code, 2015 edion, for guidance. Unless otherwise approved by the local fire code official,
the fire flow and fire flow duraon shall not be less than 1,000 gallons per minute for 60 minutes.
Hopefully I'm not off base here - in recent years I have seen this enforced both by this and the previous rule,
so I'm not sure how this is determined.
Terry sent over some fire demand calculaons that Snake Creek Mutual should be held to 1,000 gpm for 1
hour instead of 2 hours. Terry, could you let me know why that is the appropriate fire flow for the system?
Thanks for your help - Terry.
Terry Smith, Compliance Specialist
Rural Water Associaon of Utah
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Danielle Zebelean <[e-mail]>Thu, May 29, 2025 at 8:15 AM
To: Terry Smith <[e-mail]>
Thank you Terry! Just wanted to make sure this was going off of rule and not that they were determined by a fire official
previously. I am good to stick with 1,000 gpm for an hour.
Dani Zebelean, P.E.
Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
M: [phone]
Hours: M - Th 7 am to 5 pm
drinkingwater.utah.gov
Emails to and from this email address may be considered public records and thus subject to Utah GRAMA
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5/29/25, 9:06 AM State of Utah Mail - Required fire flow gpm/time
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