HomeMy WebLinkAboutDDW-2025-004710Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>
Mt HAven Water Usage
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Steve McIntosh <sa4@xmission.com>Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 5:44 PM
Reply-To: steve@canyonwater.com
To: Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>
Hi Dani:
I uploaded the 2024 Water Use report for Mt Haven H.O.A.
There is now three years of data there.
I also have weekly grab samples of Source inflow via a 5 gallon bucket.
If you want those let me know. I don’t remember what we decided.
Currently they are a seasonal system operating around Memorial Day to sometimes the end of October
Let me now what you think or if you want data differently. Everything on the water use report is from meter
readings
Steve
Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 10:36 AM
To: steve@canyonwater.com
Excellent! Thank you Steve. It does not look like Brandon has published your 2024 data yet so I will check back in on this
later in the week in order to send you a draft.
Dani Zebelean, P.E.
Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
M: (385) 278-5110
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Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 12:20 PM
To: steve@canyonwater.com
Hi Steve,
Looks like Brandon posted your water use data! It does not look like he put in the peak day for 2022. Do you happen to
have this information that you can add to the report? I'd also like to meet with Brandon and have you fill out a return flow
5/22/25, 9:20 AM State of Utah Mail - Mt HAven Water Usage
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ik=82c167e5f1&view=pt&search=all&permthid=thread-f:1827792821540330460&simpl=msg-f:182779282154033046…1/4
from the tank so that it is taken out of the calculations. Right now you're showing a storage requirement of 1,808 and
that's just not real since the overflows are being taken into account.
Also what happened in October 2024 that your spring produced 17 acre-ft?
Dani Zebelean, P.E.
Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
M: (385) 278-5110
Hours: M - Th 7 am to 5 pm
drinkingwater.utah.gov
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Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 1:30 PM
To: Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>
Brandon Calle me and I gave him peak day. If I remember right it’s 16450 GPD around 7/11. I’ll check.
In October (and other months as well) Rocky Mountain Power was burying power lines and repeatedly ripped through the
water lines. The source shows a lot of production then because they would drain the tank and it took a while to fill them
back up.
You might want to get all your questions together and I can sit in front of my computer and answer them. I also have the
amount of water that is treated to the tank and the distribution which you already have.
Confusing to say the least
Steve
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On Apr 17, 2025, at 12:21 PM, Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov> wrote:
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Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 10:22 AM
To: Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>, Brandon Mellor <bmellor@utah.gov>
Hi Steve,
So sorry for just getting to this now after a busier than expected week. Sitting down and thinking through what you really
need to get this set and the deficiency taken care of. I am adding Brandon to this conversation since we will want to set up
a meeting with him. Some of the data we need:
The 2022 peak day
I'd also like to discuss with Brandon if we could get a return flow set up so that the overflow into the creek is not
taken into account in your sizing standard. Brandon correct me if I am wrong but it is ok for that to be a calculation
between two meters without having its own meter correct?
Also do you have more data than what you send to Brandon for the spring yield? Using the data reported to
Brandon it only shows you having 4.6 gpm for the safe yield.
5/22/25, 9:20 AM State of Utah Mail - Mt HAven Water Usage
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I've attached an updated report without the variability factor as allowed by our policy that is much more
palatable than the first one I sent to you.
Steve, will you let me know about how long it will take you to get that data? Then we can look for a time that works for us
all.
Dani Zebelean, P.E.
Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
M: (385) 278-5110
Hours: M - Th 7 am to 5 pm
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Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 7:36 AM
To: Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>
Here is daily data for Mt. Haven.
One thing: When the Tanks are not filling the system goes back to the creek and that is not counted in Source capacity
( I think it probably should be) What do you think?
Then we can talk about all the differences in the Distribu on side due to leaks and tank filling
Steve
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Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 11:52 AM
To: Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>
I also agree that you should have that count towards the source capacity so long as the contract with Salt Lake City does
not limit you on a gpm that you can take from the spring. My guess is the contract is more about the total volume of
water.
Using the data provided the 25th percentile of the flows would be 19.86 gpm using 2022-2024 data. That seems a lot
more reasonable to me.
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Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
M: (385) 278-5110
Hours: M - Th 7 am to 5 pm
drinkingwater.utah.gov
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5/22/25, 9:20 AM State of Utah Mail - Mt HAven Water Usage
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Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>
Mt. Haven 2022 Peak Day Demand
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Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 10:57 AM
To: Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>
9/5/2022 11,820 gallons
5/22/25, 9:20 AM State of Utah Mail - Mt. Haven 2022 Peak Day Demand
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Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>
Re: Water Use Survey Data Submittal Request
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Brandon Mellor <bmellor@utah.gov>Fri, May 9, 2025 at 7:08 AM
To: Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>, Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>
Dani and Steve,
I have updated Mt. Haven Owners Association data. Notify me with any questions.
Thanks,
On Thu, May 8, 2025 at 9:41 AM Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com> wrote:
Attached is the return flow for 2022 and 2023.
I input 2024 into the system
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: bmellor@utah.gov <bmellor@utah.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2025 1:33 PM
To: Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>
Subject: Water Use Survey Data Submittal Request
This email is from the Utah Division of Water Rights, Water Use Section.
Please help us reduce data collection costs by submitting annual water use data for the Mt. Haven Owners Association.
THIS REPORT IS DUE MARCH 31st.
Please use the following information to enter your water use report on the internet using a web browser.
Login ID : 11856
Login Key: 213423
Address: https://waterrights.utah.gov/wateruse
This year the Water Use Data Form has been revised and, hopefully, it will be easier for your organization to report
data.
If you have questions about this message or the procedures, please call Brandon Mellor at the Division at (801) 927-
7433, or send email to: bmellor@utah.gov.
Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>Mon, May 12, 2025 at 10:18 AM
To: Brandon Mellor <bmellor@utah.gov>
Cc: Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>
Hi Brandon and Steve,
I pulled over the data this morning and it looks like the wholesale data from 2022 and 2023 where shifted by one month.
5/22/25, 9:20 AM State of Utah Mail - Re: Water Use Survey Data Submittal Request
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The overflows should line up with the months that the spring is in service correct? So 2023 should be May through
October, and 2022 should be June through October right?
Dani Zebelean, P.E.
Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
M: (385) 278-5110
Hours: M - Th 7 am to 5 pm
drinkingwater.utah.gov
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Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>Mon, May 12, 2025 at 10:57 AM
To: Brandon Mellor <bmellor@utah.gov>
Cc: Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>
Hi Steve,
Just to make sure everything else was correct I put your information into our manual calculation spreadsheet. You will be
good to go once that wholesale is fixed.
Dani Zebelean, P.E.
Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
M: (385) 278-5110
Hours: M - Th 7 am to 5 pm
drinkingwater.utah.gov
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Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>Mon, May 12, 2025 at 12:27 PM
To: Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>
Cc: Brandon Mellor <bmellor@utah.gov>
They both should end in October yes.
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On May 12, 2025, at 10:57 AM, Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov> wrote:
Hi Steve,
Just to make sure everything else was correct I put your information into our manual calculation
spreadsheet. You will be good to go once that wholesale is fixed.
Dani Zebelean, P.E.
Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
M: (385) 278-5110
Hours: M - Th 7 am to 5 pm
drinkingwater.utah.gov
Emails to and from this email address may be considered public records and thus subject to Utah GRAMA
requirements.
On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 10:18 AM Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov> wrote:
Hi Brandon and Steve,
I pulled over the data this morning and it looks like the wholesale data from 2022 and 2023 where shifted
by one month.
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Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>Thu, May 22, 2025 at 7:41 AM
To: Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>
Thanks Dani.
So this looks like we are in compliance for Source and Storage.
Do I need to no fy anyone regarding the CAP or does it happen automa cally?
Thanks for all your help.
5/22/25, 9:20 AM State of Utah Mail - Re: Water Use Survey Data Submittal Request
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Steve
From: Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2025 10:57 AM
To: Brandon Mellor <bmellor@utah.gov>
Cc: Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>
Subject: Re: Water Use Survey Data Submi al Request
Hi Steve,
Just to make sure everything else was correct I put your information into our manual calculation spreadsheet. You will be
good to go once that wholesale is fixed.
Dani Zebelean, P.E.
Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
M: (385) 278-5110
Hours: M - Th 7 am to 5 pm
drinkingwater.utah.gov
Emails to and from this email address may be considered public records and thus subject to Utah GRAMA
requirements.
On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 10:18 AM Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov> wrote:
Hi Brandon and Steve,
I pulled over the data this morning and it looks like the wholesale data from 2022 and 2023 where shifted by one
month.
5/22/25, 9:20 AM State of Utah Mail - Re: Water Use Survey Data Submittal Request
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ik=82c167e5f1&view=pt&search=all&permthid=thread-f:1831648508584157308&simpl=msg-f:183164850858415730…4/5
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Danielle Zebelean <dzebelean@utah.gov>Thu, May 22, 2025 at 7:43 AM
To: Steve McIntosh <Steve@canyonwater.com>
That is correct you are compliant for source and storage. Once the official sizing standard letter is sent to you, Jen and
Colt are also cc’d on that. They should resolve the CA/EO and your IPS points after that.
Dani Zebelean, P.E.
Environmental Engineer III | Division of Drinking Water
M: (385) 278-5110
Hours: M - Th 7 am to 5 pm
drinkingwater.utah.gov
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